Now is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back to give us that chance. It won’t last forever. We must take it or leave it. – C.S. Lewis
Monday, January 3, 2011
Good advice
A wise priest once counseled our parish that when strange talk starts happening at mass, it's always good to drop to one's knees and begin saying the rosary. Good advice.
Strange talk is one thing but utter nonsense quite another. Deacon Ray should simply not be allowed out of retirement. To insult the ethnic groups that built our parish is inexcusable. There is no place in the pulpit for refernces such as were made on sunday. The man who held up a sign was in his own way just trying to make a point as he did not have the use of the pulpit and say whatever he pleased like the deacons in this parish do.. This was just another way that the staff of All Saints is doing a superb job of dividing the parish.
Can someone please enlighen me. All I heard is that some man objected to Ray's homily, left the mass and and returned with a sign stating that "Muslims kill Catholics" or something like that. What did Ray say?
Who else but Ray Defendorf would use the pulpit to create division? He should stick to the scriptures and leave his personal agenda's aside. The parishioners in Bath echo this.
Don't know exactly what happened in Corning, but in Hammondsport Sunday, Father Jaeger made a special intention for all Catholics killed on Christmas in the Middle East. Seemed strange at time, now I begin to understand. One more example of the failure of the lay minister concept in this diocese. These deacons are not qualified to preach to us. For Pete sake I have more catholic education than many of them.
It was the usual about how the Italians and the Irish in our parish do not get along and we need to move passed it and be ONE parish. I dont know where he gets that! And he said something about last year was a disaster for the parish and then he said something about the bigots who dont like muslim people. He said that he knows some people in the parish who won't talk to other people in the parish because of the St. Vincent sale. I think the deacon is a useful tool for you know who. It definately stirred things up.
I am appallled that again a deacon has publicallystated or implied that an Irish/Italian division is the cause of the small group plan to close St. Vincent's Church. When Deacon Dean declared a Northside/Southside, Italian/Irish ethnic conflict was still alive today it was pointed out that such statements are blatant falsehoods and only incite conflict between administration and congregates. So now Deacon Ray does it. Can they not grasp the history of Corning and realize that Irish and Italians, American Indians, Asians and African Americans have been living peacefully size by side for at least 90 years in Corning. Deacons Dean and Ray, let's stop the out of control, untruthful,inciteful,blather,please.
The best thing to do if you find yourself in church and either of these clowns steps up to the pulpit is to just close your eyes and take a nap believe me God understands and has noticed how patient we have been. Everyone young and old; Italian and Irish, everyone is tired of it! They talk about how great they are and break their arms patting themselves on the back or they are trying their best to incite a riot. If only we had a priest as administrator again; one that would tell it like it is and not put up with such garbage.
Seriously, he should stop trying to beat a dead horse. That's coming from a 1/2 Italian 1/2 Scottish northsider,who has friends from many countries/religions, who now lives on the southside but prefers church on the northside, has good friends from the north and southside, graduated from east but married a legal alien who went to west, and teaches poor and rich people from all over over the world. Did I make my point?
I’m so glad we weren’t there for that mass. We had the opposite feeling at St. Vincent’s at 9:30. It was very crowded. When my kids turned around and saw their grandparents it was like they had spotted Santa. I can't stress enough the influence of your presence in our church community on me and my family. Seriously, the whole conversation to the car and on the way home after church is filled with "I saw Mrs..... and I saw Mr. and Mrs.... and I saw.... Did u see....? They should be paying more attention to the mass but they are still kids. Anyone who knows ANY kids in the parish and goes to church, they know it and you are influencing them in a HUGE way just by BEING THERE!
This leads me to why I felt so sad to see so many familiar faces when I went to check out surrounding parishes. I saw old teachers, neighbors, young families and old all from the Corning area. My own observation was denied to me when I mentioned it at the second D&D! When you leave a parish you are not just sending a message to the parish leadership, it affects everyone at the parish. I can respect any decision to leave because we are all different in our thinking and levels of tolerance, but just in case you didn't know it, people really do miss you, come back. No, I’m not on the parish welcome home committee!
Yes, may the personnel board in Rochester hear the need for a priest as pastor who learned in homily class that one does not use the pulpit for one's own biases, prejudices, politics and agenda but tries to preach the WORD through love and sensitivity to the people in the pews.Maybe the Deacons here missed that class.
Ray has a history of using the pulpet to promote his own theology. Why is anybody surprised when he does so? For years he has been preaching about the need for change in the Church- in the form of women and married priests. The people in Bath were happy to send him back to Corning. We need to pray for him. He's a nice man, but is severly misdirected in his Catholic faith.
Strange talk is one thing but utter nonsense quite another. Deacon Ray should simply not be allowed out of retirement. To insult the ethnic groups that built our parish is inexcusable. There is no place in the pulpit for refernces such as were made on sunday. The man who held up a sign was in his own way just trying to make a point as he did not have the use of the pulpit and say whatever he pleased like the deacons in this parish do.. This was just another way that the staff of All Saints is doing a superb job of dividing the parish.
ReplyDeleteCan someone please enlighen me. All I heard is that some man objected to Ray's homily, left the mass and and returned with a sign stating that "Muslims kill Catholics" or something like that. What did Ray say?
ReplyDeleteIs this Deacon Ray Defendorf?
ReplyDeleteWho else but Ray Defendorf would use the pulpit to create division? He should stick to the scriptures and leave his personal agenda's aside. The parishioners in Bath echo this.
ReplyDeleteI am confused...what mass was this?
ReplyDeleteMary, It was the 11:30 mass on Sunday, but have been told that the 4 p.m. Saturday mass also had a similar message.
ReplyDeleteSo, will someone tell us what happened?
ReplyDeleteDon't know exactly what happened in Corning, but in Hammondsport Sunday, Father Jaeger made a special intention for all Catholics killed on Christmas in the Middle East. Seemed strange at time, now I begin to understand.
ReplyDeleteOne more example of the failure of the lay minister concept in this diocese. These deacons are not qualified to preach to us. For Pete sake I have more catholic education than many of them.
St. Vinnies '69
It was the usual about how the Italians and the Irish in our parish do not get along and we need to move passed it and be ONE parish. I dont know where he gets that! And he said something about last year was a disaster for the parish and then he said something about the bigots who dont like muslim people. He said that he knows some people in the parish who won't talk to other people in the parish because of the St. Vincent sale. I think the deacon is a useful tool for you know who. It definately stirred things up.
ReplyDeleteSome items of interest on this deacon:
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I am appallled that again a deacon has publicallystated or implied that an Irish/Italian division is the cause of the small group plan to close St. Vincent's Church. When Deacon Dean declared a Northside/Southside, Italian/Irish ethnic conflict was still alive today it was pointed out that such statements are blatant falsehoods and only incite conflict between administration and congregates. So now Deacon Ray does it. Can they not grasp the history of Corning and realize that Irish and Italians, American Indians, Asians and African Americans have been living peacefully size by side for at least 90 years in Corning. Deacons Dean and Ray, let's stop the out of control, untruthful,inciteful,blather,please.
ReplyDeleteThe best thing to do if you find yourself in church and either of these clowns steps up to the pulpit is to just close your eyes and take a nap believe me God understands and has noticed how patient we have been. Everyone young and old; Italian and Irish, everyone is tired of it! They talk about how great they are and break their arms patting themselves on the back or they are trying their best to incite a riot. If only we had a priest as administrator again; one that would tell it like it is and not put up with such garbage.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, he should stop trying to beat a dead horse. That's coming from a 1/2 Italian 1/2 Scottish northsider,who has friends from many countries/religions, who now lives on the southside but prefers church on the northside, has good friends from the north and southside, graduated from east but married a legal alien who went to west, and teaches poor and rich people from all over over the world. Did I make my point?
ReplyDeleteI’m so glad we weren’t there for that mass. We had the opposite feeling at St. Vincent’s at 9:30. It was very crowded. When my kids turned around and saw their grandparents it was like they had spotted Santa. I can't stress enough the influence of your presence in our church community on me and my family. Seriously, the whole conversation to the car and on the way home after church is filled with "I saw Mrs..... and I saw Mr. and Mrs.... and I saw.... Did u see....? They should be paying more attention to the mass but they are still kids. Anyone who knows ANY kids in the parish and goes to church, they know it and you are influencing them in a HUGE way just by BEING THERE!
ReplyDeleteThis leads me to why I felt so sad to see so many familiar faces when I went to check out surrounding parishes. I saw old teachers, neighbors, young families and old all from the Corning area. My own observation was denied to me when I mentioned it at the second D&D! When you leave a parish you are not just sending a message to the parish leadership, it affects everyone at the parish. I can respect any decision to leave because we are all different in our thinking and levels of tolerance, but just in case you didn't know it, people really do miss you, come back. No, I’m not on the parish welcome home committee!
Yes, may the personnel board in Rochester hear the need for a priest as pastor who learned in homily class that one does not use the pulpit for one's own biases, prejudices, politics and agenda but tries to preach the WORD through love and sensitivity to the people in the pews.Maybe the Deacons here missed that class.
ReplyDeletePlease no name calling.
ReplyDeleteRay has a history of using the pulpet to promote his own theology. Why is anybody surprised when he does so? For years he has been preaching about the need for change in the Church- in the form of women and married priests. The people in Bath were happy to send him back to Corning. We need to pray for him. He's a nice man, but is severly misdirected in his Catholic faith.
ReplyDeleteI advise that no more time on this blog is devoted to Deacon Ray. We'll only pay for it with more of his finger-pointing homilies.
ReplyDeleteOr a long-winded bulletin rebuttal. Yawn. Yawn.
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