tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post1217172293174073329..comments2023-03-22T10:27:58.478-04:00Comments on Saving Our Parish: Morning RoundupUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-43686067065021664302010-08-28T09:54:25.136-04:002010-08-28T09:54:25.136-04:00Thank you for clarifying, Anonymous. I agree with ...Thank you for clarifying, Anonymous. I agree with the "no voice" part but I guess I thought you were talking about Parish Youth Ministry. Regardless of the number of churches, we only have one program and I believe it will remain. I have never gone to our Life Teen but am familiar with the program. While it has many good parts to it, as someone who used to work in YM, I always steered away from programs that you had to have a "membership" in (i.e. pay a yearly fee, get special training) Life Teen does require and extensive involvement from parents and young adults which is hard when you are new to a parish. We should pray for our YM program.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-52025866049188617622010-08-28T01:24:33.587-04:002010-08-28T01:24:33.587-04:00Remember to Pray !!!!Remember to Pray !!!!St. Raphaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01360695596692483115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-82775935043995928752010-08-27T22:45:24.342-04:002010-08-27T22:45:24.342-04:00DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!! WE MUST UNITE!!!!DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!! WE MUST UNITE!!!!Amynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-30255156559915999512010-08-27T17:04:53.431-04:002010-08-27T17:04:53.431-04:00Mary,
No choice- one Church.
No voice- did anybod...Mary,<br /><br />No choice- one Church.<br />No voice- did anybody ask us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-77432258374714244142010-08-27T16:51:36.557-04:002010-08-27T16:51:36.557-04:00Anonymous of 4:27 PM said..."It's too bad...Anonymous of 4:27 PM said..."It's too bad that the All Saints parishioners will soon be without a choice. Or a voice."<br /><br />I guess I don't understand how we will be w/o a voice or choice. Could you explain that further?<br /><br />I look forward to your response.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-4149691478351434372010-08-27T16:27:53.001-04:002010-08-27T16:27:53.001-04:00Glad we cleared this up. Personally, I think it...Glad we cleared this up. Personally, I think it's fine that the teens can chose between the options. It's too bad that the All Saints parishioners will soon be without a choice. Or a voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-26307258748483978032010-08-26T21:02:43.137-04:002010-08-26T21:02:43.137-04:00A group of parents started a new service group las...A group of parents started a new service group last year. Faith by Interaction. They do a ton of service projects for the entire community. Many of their regular meetings are held at Green Meadows where they visit and entertain the residents. The high schools accept the service hours for required courses. My kids LOVE it. The projects target important needs and the parents involved make it fun for the kids to work. They had a retreat last year and the kids worked on Market steet and Salvation army and Habitat and at homes of seniors. It's a great idea and the kids are encouraged to bring their friends. It doesn't matter what religion they are but they do stress the Catholic faith.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-73463312232154971392010-08-26T20:11:09.416-04:002010-08-26T20:11:09.416-04:00This may sound foolish but as an older?? parishion...This may sound foolish but as an older?? parishioner what is FBI teen groupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-89536251621599854952010-08-26T17:05:48.629-04:002010-08-26T17:05:48.629-04:00Let FBI continue to serve the parish in the way fo...Let FBI continue to serve the parish in the way for which the McCaig's are so ardently respected. But carve out a practical and contributive piece for the parish's new youth minister. Do not expect him to develop the kind of robust service that has been the history of the youth ministry. That heritage belongs to the McCaig's. Give our youth minister the best chance to succeed within that piece that is carved out.Bill Bolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-24041512595664126632010-08-26T15:58:51.643-04:002010-08-26T15:58:51.643-04:00I like the idea of the two groups working together...I like the idea of the two groups working together once in a while and am happy to see that they did some events together last year. Maybe the kids that are doing both groups could help to get other kids to do both groups and then they would all be together more often. As soemone stated above, the kids will go where they feel comfortable. Both groups should meet this need. I don't have children involved any more but I was always happy when mine wanted to join any club that gave them opportunities to be involved in a Christian environment. Sounds like both of these groups should be promoted as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-2066404960227552932010-08-26T15:14:12.466-04:002010-08-26T15:14:12.466-04:00To amonymous 11:17- The All saints group and the F...To amonymous 11:17- The All saints group and the FBI group did collaborate this past year. With the Stations on Good Friday, the FBI retreat and something else, I can't remember. Kids don't have to chose between the two. I'm sure they are welcomed at both groups. I don't understand how this is a problem for some of the adults. The kids that do both, enjoy both. Having different options to grow in your faith is a positive thing.Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-34896854304269116402010-08-26T12:36:33.436-04:002010-08-26T12:36:33.436-04:00Love the 12 step analogy posted above. Would add t...Love the 12 step analogy posted above. Would add that we haven't reached this point overnight. There is a 4 year history of questionable moves based on a questionable agenda. Most in the parish truly have tried to cut Dean some slack, work with him, provide honest input, forgive him for his shortcomings (as we all have these) and on and on. But he is not learning. By refusing to respect the history and traditions of this community, he is further alienating himself. I used to feel sorry for him-not anymore. A bit of humbleness and humility would be my recommendation.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-50385011775964749992010-08-26T11:51:22.123-04:002010-08-26T11:51:22.123-04:00To Anonymous Aug.25, 1:01pm The only reason there ...To Anonymous Aug.25, 1:01pm The only reason there continues to be an issue with credentials and degrees is because in Dean's new youth ministry job description, the one he provided to Marie, it stated that a 4-year theology degree was required. Marie did not have this but Kimberly did. But Kimberly has left and now we have hired someone with no degree. If you are questioning how I know this, as this information has been intentionally withheld, I saw his credentials when he was interviewed by the Youth Council. Personally, I don't care if the youth minister has a degree. Having the ability to establish and maintain a trusted realtionship far outweighs a degree. The problem parents are having is in the double standard that Dean has presented and how he violates his own criteria for his benefit. Enough said.A parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-5254439348484734952010-08-26T11:17:06.699-04:002010-08-26T11:17:06.699-04:00After reading all the comments above a lot of them...After reading all the comments above a lot of them dealing with two different groups that are available for our youth. Wouldn't it be wonderful if these groups would work together for our teens. What a powerful message the Corning Painted Post Roman Catholic Community could send out to the rest of our community. A group of teens and parents working together as a service oriented and Catholic faith based group to better our community. The kids would not have to make choices in a critical time in life when so many choices have to be made. They would be united together as one group working for the same cause with the same fundamental backgrounds as their Catholic faith. They wouldn't have to decide which group to attend because of which one their friends might attend.<br />The united front would show the rest of the community that in a time of struggle in the Catholic church and in our own parish that our teens have a strong and active group both of adults and kids! As we have seen in our school community sometimes the kids are more willing to accept changes and work together than the adults .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-34676895888511328002010-08-26T09:40:21.291-04:002010-08-26T09:40:21.291-04:00TO: Anonymous August 26, 2010 8:34 AM
I'm off ...TO: Anonymous August 26, 2010 8:34 AM<br />I'm off to the VA for a medical appointment but let me just say clearly. Reconciling is not surrendering. Quite the opposite. I think the parish is potentially in a very strong position. And for one, I am not reconciled that we will lose St. Vincent's. I think that should be a much broader conversation. I'll respond more later.<br /><br />Yours in Christ. B.Bill Bolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-25387187451074735162010-08-26T09:10:24.332-04:002010-08-26T09:10:24.332-04:00I have learned much wisdom through the Twelve Step...I have learned much wisdom through the Twelve Step Program.<br />1. If someone tells you that you have a tale, you may think about turning around to look. If two people tell you that you have a tail, you should think about turning around to take a look. If three or more people tell you that you have a tail, you had better turn around to take a look because you probably have one.<br />2. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.<br /><br />Parishioners have been telling our leadership that they have a tail.<br /><br />Leadership has been trying to tell us and show us over and over again what is the best way for us to live our Catholic Faith without getting the results they desire.<br /><br />What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-16798401260776267112010-08-26T08:42:15.977-04:002010-08-26T08:42:15.977-04:00A friend called last night to tell me about the co...A friend called last night to tell me about the comments on the FBI. My 2 high school children and 1 middle school attended last year after we tried the Life Teen at IHM. For a while we did both but then decided that they were getting more out of the FBI. Mostly it is meaningful service projects but on some nights they had serious discussions on faith issues. They also pray every night and made rosaries to send to homeless teens. So, it is Catholic. There are many parents involved and they are always inviting more to get involved. Sometimes I would just stay for the hour and I was always invited to help with something. The kids love it and they bring their friends. My only critique is that they don't do more over the summer when the kids are bored and looking for something to do. Please don't be critical about something if you have no real knowledge. Over 130 teens are attending, they are doing something right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-10770838015614371592010-08-26T08:34:35.563-04:002010-08-26T08:34:35.563-04:00Bill, there is no reconciling to sin and oppressio...Bill, there is no reconciling to sin and oppression. Oppression can be an earthly form of peace, probably not the kind of peace that Jesus would desire. There is no peace without justice. When you speak of reconciliation you are speaking of reconciling with the idea that we are going to sell two more churches and probably close a school. The leadership said it is all a done deal. You yourself said that we need to leave behind the idea that we can have a change in leadership, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-85871302863809603192010-08-26T01:01:51.634-04:002010-08-26T01:01:51.634-04:00First of all, I want to say how enjoyable it is to...First of all, I want to say how enjoyable it is to be with people who write so well. Your collective expression is quite amazing. My Dad was a journalist at the Leader as we grew up, so I recognize the power of words to inform, influence, and move.<br /><br />Anonymous August 25, 2010 5:13 PM has requested more encouragement. OK then. As the new guy on the block I am learning from each of you. As I do I have remained fixed that reconciliation, as Christ would have us do, should be our aim. The fruits of that reconciliation? Peace. Unity. Time, talent, treasure. A vibrant Catholic parish, healed of its wounds, secure in its direction. I do believe this is not only possible, but imperative. Given our dire situation, it can't wait. A friend in the parish says we are in a 'perfect storm' of reality, circumstance and injury. In such a storm as this no wonder it is difficult to find our way back to each other. Reconciliation is the way. I believe it can be done and that we need to do it for each other and for the one body of the parish.<br /><br />Again to August 25, 2010 5:13 PM. Father Fred may have been here only a short time, but it didn't take him long to feel our pain. His call was to our heats, encouraging us to be our most Christ-like. So yes, I did listen to him. <br /><br />You also said that I was 'encouraging others to give up on keeping our churches.' I never said anything about that. I don't feel that way. My good name is on this post, so please get it right.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />PS<br />Saint Gemma. Powerful. Yes, let's move closer to God. And I think we are at that broken and wounded point where it can happen to a greater extent. Therein lies my hope that our parish can heal itself, that it will reconcile. Thank you for what you said.Bill Bolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-66475323441646000422010-08-25T22:02:07.331-04:002010-08-25T22:02:07.331-04:00No one was critiquing the FBI or the people that r...No one was critiquing the FBI or the people that run it especially the McCaigs, I was under the imopression that the group was started by a group of parents. It was clearly stated that rumor has is it that some time was given to campaign against Alt C. The point made was that even in the best of programs rumors can be started, unfortunatly this happens often and can hurt a lot of people. Lets leave the FBI and the youth group out of the discussions about the facilities plan and how the information was put out to us. or how bad our current leadership is. That also means not giving opinions of what is wrong with our church group or the youth minister, again so much of what is written is what someone heard someone say, nothing based on facts. I think the youth minister and the FBI core parents both want what's best for the kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-36662856782754090112010-08-25T20:00:59.043-04:002010-08-25T20:00:59.043-04:00If Time Warner announced it was taking away the Ya...If Time Warner announced it was taking away the Yankees games, Monday bight football, HGTV, your favorite movie channel, the Wednesday night tv lineup or the nightly news you love,or whatever it is you watch, you would come unglued and the protest would be gigantic among the masses. If Aniellos stopped selling pizza, the Nasser ice rink were to close,the Pioneers left town or the Jackels moved to Binghamton, their would be an outrage. On the other hand, churches are sold without input of those who attend and support and we are supposed to rollover and get on with it. Seems like a double standard here as to just where the importance lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-43773579640631426712010-08-25T18:14:16.754-04:002010-08-25T18:14:16.754-04:00Better yet, find someONE else to critique. Mike an...Better yet, find someONE else to critique. Mike and Marie have given their hearts and souls to this faith community. It is laughable that someone would attempt to discredit either of them. Pretty low.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-1889483354562903072010-08-25T17:46:31.151-04:002010-08-25T17:46:31.151-04:00To whoever said that the FBI meetings were used as...To whoever said that the FBI meetings were used as an Alt C opposition forum. My 2 sons were at the meetings and both were strongly in support of Alt c. If this was ever a topic at a meeting, believe me, they would have told me. Find something else to critique.Suenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-49596802709208893362010-08-25T17:26:02.643-04:002010-08-25T17:26:02.643-04:00Bill- We have been dealing with Dean for 4 years. ...Bill- We have been dealing with Dean for 4 years. I know of at least 50, probably more, people who have met with him to share concerns. I can think of NOT SINGLE ONE, myself included, who made any progress or who felt like they were heard or who felt better after their conversation. Don't get me wrong, he can be very pleasant but he doesn't take what people are sharing and factor it into his decision making process. He has a mental block when it comes to opinions that differ from his own. This many people can't be wrong- he has a problem that affects his ability to lead. Hence, the situation we find ourselves in.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611021065448394321.post-34163592178554115582010-08-25T17:21:09.126-04:002010-08-25T17:21:09.126-04:00Someone made a good point above, that once leaders...Someone made a good point above, that once leaders are put in a position of authority their actions go virtually unchecked. People are responding with all sincerity trying to be lights in the darkness and "Save Our Parish".( In reference to "anonymous" above who does not accept these efforts as such). There is no justification for Deacon Dean to have a "It will be done my way" and again... "It will blow over and those who don't like it can leave attitude". Even if he and those backing him get their way, how could they ever have inner peace knowing God sees the lack of care and concern they hold in their hearts for their parishioners. How do you preach about love, humility of heart, humble servitude and so on if for instance "washing of feet" is just symbolic and not something you apply to yourself. It is through love of neighbor that all of us have true contrition of sin and humility of heart. We should not be looking at one another like we are better than thou. For instance assuming someone is not serving the church in important ways - See comment "Get involved in our church". No one is without error. It is about moving closer to God and not away from God, often this happens even to a greater extent when we are broken, frail, and wounded. It just depends on how we respond to God's grace.Saint Gemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952098963550017657noreply@blogger.com